And though only a short amount of time has gone by, Goku is stronger than both of them. Forum Posts . Once Goku mastered UI, he was completely able to overwhelm Jiren(Whose power is God of Destruction Tier). Nov 13, 2017 #5 Judging from Berus's reaction, his cock is getting hard and ready to fight Goku. In episode 109, whis confirms that Jiren was the mortal he was talking about. Doesn't seem mastered to me if he can't do it on command. UI Goku stronger than Vegito? This gameplay is amazing watch now. Akira himself has faith that this opponent will be extremely strong as required in the life of Saiyan survival. More posts from the Dragonballsuper community, Discuss news and excitement about Dragonball Super. He even manages to see through one of Jiren’s attacks and get a few punches in. Only thing you might be right about is the jap between Jiren and toppo but i take charcter statements with a grain of salt so im going to wait and see how both of them perform before making any judgements. In episode 109, whis confirms that Jiren was the mortal he was talking about. discord.gg/dbz No, Infact Vegito basically gets ass raped. It can be safely stated that Goku is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball series, despite Akira Toriyama's attempts at ushering in the era of Goku's son, Gohan, midway through Dragon Ball Z. Think about this: Goku is able to keep up with Beerus as SSG “red,” a form in which he literally couldn’t touch Jiren. Also, Goku said that Broly might be stronger than Beerus, while it was suggested by comments made in Dragon Ball Super that Beerus was greatly eclipsed by Jiren. Now if Goku is able to beat Jiren that would simply mean Goku has finally surpassed Beerus. In fact, just a few days ago, a possible spoiler was announced that almost went unnoticed. Beerus is way stronger than we think. While there is a 30-minute time limit, that’s more than … So the answer is no (Hold on, we’ll tell you why). Jiren never managed to do that. Facts. It takes time for hit to improve, time someone above him wouldn't give him or allow him to have. ToP Jiren is just under current Sign Goku, who would be stronger than a hypothetical SSBKKx20 Goku. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Zamasu can trash both Vegeta and Goku in SSB. Of course, it was unrealistic to expect Vegeta to beat Jiren. Recall that momentarily Goku is unable to re-activate the selfish doctrine of self-will, which is why this level is inferior to Jiren. VIDEO: Why Dragon Ball Z's Goku is Stronger Than Superman. If Jiren were to fight Broly, it feels quite plausible that the more … Since there is no way to compare their powers directly as they haven’t faced off yet, we will be using their battles with Goku as a reference. People don’t seem to realize just how much Goku has increased in power since the ToP, they’re absolutely incomparable! We know this Jiren is stronger than Vermouth. If that’s true, then Jiren, who has the power of a god, could really be stronger than all other Dragon Ball villains, including the Legendary Super Saiyan himself. They all fall down. But they all wiped the floor with Goku. Not a single one of them (other than the exclusions) would be able to stand up to the might Frieza for more than a few minutes. But, according to you, who is stronger between Goku, Jiren, Beerus, Broly? Then you put Base Toppo=>Blue Goku when the anime also made it cleat that Goku was stronger, he was winning that fight Toppo is the one that powered up first and Goku responded in kind. Is Jiren stronger than Goku? Take Gohan, for example, who at the age of 11 became stronger than every other member of the Dragon Team when he tapped into Super Saiyan 2. LB Jiren, while arguably stronger than MUI Goku, lost to MUI Goku due to Goku's skill in UI. So far from what we've seen, Jiren is definitely stronger than Moro but due to the difference in techniques and personalities Moro would win, he drains energy until his opponents were weak enough for him to win. Tomba42 2 years ago #15. Maybe Goku MUI is stronger than Jiren, but not so much. Nevertheless, this is the impression we have, but nothing has been confirmed yet. Hits improvement isn't limitless and if you're stronger than him which jiren and lb goku is and soundly so he can be put down. However, in the anime adaptation called Dragon Ball Z, many believe that Gohan surpassed his dad in strength as he was always meant to do so throughout the series. You can’t even compare the two. EDIT: And also Broly cannot actually be stronger than Cell since a SSj3 can be sensed even outside of the universe. Now another set of people also claim that Beerus was afraid of Goku’s MUI and Jiren… They're pathetically weak compared to Frieza. Jiren is not a villain, however. I know it's very hard to do reasonings about this particular topic (because even Toriyama doesn't know it precisely, and we don't have enough informations). The viewers will be watching two high level dragonball fighterz players fight each other. My Favorite Anime - The Slayers My favorite game series - Resident Evil/Disgaea/Fire Emblem. Think about this: Goku is able to keep up with Beerus as SSG “red,” a form in which he literally couldn’t touch Jiren. This gameplay is amazing watch now. If that’s true, then Jiren, who has the power of a god, could really be stronger than all other Dragon Ball villains, including the Legendary Super Saiyan himself. Zeno aside, Jiren is only matched by Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku. 1 1 Sabo Nuke This Place Now. But they all wiped the floor with Goku. But they all wiped the floor with Goku. Goku made massive gains during those 6 months with Merus, to the point that he can stomp a guy who can stomp a much stronger Gohan than the one from the ToP, who was already SSB tier. When Goku utilises Ultra Instinct Omen, we see him being able to hold his own against Jiren but was still significantly weaker than Jiren based on their fight in Episode 129. Official Aqua of the Kingdom Hearts 3 board. We have seen Jiren trashing SSB Goku in the latest preview. For those who are awaiting leaks about the animated series, they know perfectly well that video games like “Dragon ball heroes” or “Dragon Ball Xenoverse,” usually bring us one or another revelation on their platforms that happened in the original plot of the Series. Read more on the same topic from Lancer Tv: This article has been curated and verified by, This area provides transparent information about Blasting News, our editorial processes and how we strive for creating trustworthy news. Basically, Whis gives the idea or intention that there are even more powerful beings that Jiren somewhere in the different 12 universes, or well, now probably 18 universes, remembering that the Android 17 asked for the return of all. Goku UI is just a little stronger than Jiren Limit Break If Goku UI is stronger than Gogeta Blue, that means Jiren, too, is stronger than Broly, because the difference in power between Goku UI and Jiren LB is smaller than the difference between Gogeta Blue and Broly FP. Also, Goku said that Broly might be stronger than Beerus, while it was suggested by comments made in Dragon Ball Super that Beerus was greatly eclipsed by Jiren. Using Jiren as a key as he's the only character Goku has fought that's seemingly comparable to Beerus. Hence the reason Goku is stronger than Beerus. Moro >>>>> Jiren. FP Jiren > UI Goku > Heavily suppressed Jiren > UI -Sign- Goku (Also keep in mind the no killing rule) FP UI -Sign- Goku (presumably) > FP Moro > Suppressed UI -Sign- Goku > Moro Broly isn't even in the discussion, dude is far weaker than all of the contenders for the title of the strongest. 24 Jiren. But are there mortals stronger than Jiren? The fact that there is someone more powerful than Jiren should be considered a real latent threat to anyone who is considered an enemy. As the DC Universe's flagship superhero, Superman is one of the most recognizable, powerful superheroes in the entire comic book medium. When Goku/ Vegeta says they've never seen someone as strong as Jiren, that essentially means Jiren is stronger than Fused Zamasu or antagonists faced before and it has nothing to do with personal opinion and is simply common sense. Is Jiren Stronger Than Beerus? Most characters can’t match his powers in the series, and only the Grand Priest and Zeno are known to be stronger than him. 'Dragon Ball Super' Hints Jiren Is Stronger Than The Gods Of Destruction ... and the hero only got to push back against Jiren when he adopted a new form. The possibility that Jiren is stronger than Fused Zamasu is huge. Share Share Tweet Email. When Jiren shows up, it's heavily implied he's the one mortal stronger than GoD, which would likely include Beerus. Time_Hero 7 months ago #23. Moro blocked SSB Goku's punch without being phased, but was gritting his teeth and having bulging veins every time he had to block Omen Goku's attacks. Not now, but after the ToP is done both UI Goku and Jiren will be stronger than him! 10 Stronger: Ultra Instinct Goku Oh man, while I agree with you... you shouldn't have done that. MUI Goku was beating the shit out of limit break Jiren what are you guys talking about? We have yet to see Broly or Beerus in their strongest form either. As a result, Goku has been on the receiving end of many beatings throughout the series, but he usually always finds a way to get past his latest foe. 14 days ago. Goku, the hero of the Dragon Ball series is notorious for constantly one-upping himself; just when you think he’s reached his peak, he gets even stronger. All things considered, Goku isn't stronger than Jiren yet and there are many reasons for that. The clearest example is the one that ended up revealing for months that Goku and Freeza would be the last in the arena of the Power Tournament and that they would fight together against Jiren. We will keep you updated with the news you shouldn’t miss. After few seconds, Jiren got up and blasted Goku. Forcing Jiren to go Full Power! The Kaioken is a factor but I think it doesn’t make any difference if Goku used SSB Kaioken against Zamasu in the past. Jiren is presented to be even stronger than a God Of Destruction, and he proved it very well in the tournament. 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The fact that there is someone more powerful than Jiren should be considered a real latent threat to anyone who is considered an enemy. Current UI Omen Goku is massively stronger than the one from the ToP and Moro was even stronger than … Blasting News is working with the European Union in the fight against fake news. Kaio ken hurts but he can do it on purpose. Superman is the most recognizable superhero on Earth but here's why he would be bested by Dragon Ball's Goku. Then once UI Goku appears, he forces Jiren to get serious in a fight, and while he didn't win he did push Jiren more than he ever has been. His words are the following: "It would also be prudent to remember that there could be someone much stronger than Jiren out there," and then he laughs the laughter that characterizes him, emphasizing that he continues to hide many things. Hence the reason Goku is stronger than Beerus. Potara was a fusion so powerful it was even stronger than SSJ3 goku in base form. Explain your theories without being rude :), (I know somebody else made similar post, but I haven't understood many answers). Both players are masters with the character called Jiren. If even that. Likewise, Piccolo, who was only 3 at the time he fought Goku during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, was the strongest opponent Goku had ever faced up to that point. Goku with MUI is stronger than Jiren even before his potential is unleashed at the end … Moro 73 ONESHOTTED Ultra Instinct Omen Goku. Goku defeated Jiren briefly and only due to an anger attack. There is a big difference in terms of power between Goku Blue and Goku MUI. Nonetheless, in this post, we are going to state the reason why Vegeta was stronger than Goku in season 1 of super anime and the manga version if Goku did have Kaioken and Ultra Instinct. 4. Anyway, Goku fought Beerus at the beginning of DBS (he didn't even know the Super Saiyan God). So Jiren still wins. Later in episode 130, Goku surpasses Jiren’s hidden power which was stronger than his full power. Recall that momentarily Goku is unable to re-activate the selfish doctrine of self-will, which is why this level is inferior to Jiren. Gogeta Blue >> LB Jiren > FPSS Broly = MUI Goku. Not even the Spirit Bomb could stop him, and he had a lot of luck for not getting eliminated by Goku’s Ultra Instinct form. Now the situation is different, he is much stronger than before (with Blue + Kaioken and MUI). Vegeta doesn’t actually do that bad. I absolutely think Jiren is stronger than all the GoDs. Dragon Ball Super has introduced some of the strongest characters in the Dragon Ball franchise! Jiren was never stated stronger than Beerus, he was not even compared to Beerus. Follow 4839. I would see UI Goku and Jiren are not far off from Beerus though. Goku has yet to beat the first 3 in a 1v1 fight. Dude is probably the strongest amongst the gods. A discussion-dedicated Dragon Ball subreddit. Goku compared Broly to 'possibly' being stronger than Beerus. As the hero of the story, Goku's main goal, besides saving the Earth and its inhabitants, is to find the strongest opponent he can and test his abilities. re: Jiren is not stronger than all GoDs Jiren is stronger than his God of Destruction and probably some of the weaker ones. MUI Goku is stronger than Jiren but at the end of Super Jiren is the strongest non-GoD/Angel character. So why do the Pride Trooper's stink so much? Now the situation is different, he is much stronger than before (with Blue + Kaioken and MUI). Vegeta and Gotenks don’t fight, but there would be no contest if they did. Taking into account that detail, it has recently been revealed that there is an apparent spoiler possibly of the same magnitude. Now if we compare this to Jiren, obviously Jiren was a lot stronger than both Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta combined but this is not a tournament anymore. To assume that SSB Goku is stronger than Jiren is to assume that current UIO Goku is several times stronger than Jiren, who has already established himself as a solid GoD tier (he is stronger than the GoD of his universe, and as we saw in the exhibition match the GoDs are at similar levels). We've seen Goku Blue humiliated by him, but maybe Goku MUI would have held head to him. Facts. Anyway, I don't believe this to be the case BlackBoo, Jul 2, 2020. Jiren was a wall of power at the Tournament of Power where Goku had to break his limits and achieve Ultra Instinct in order to beat him. Whis is the Angel attendant and mentor of Beerus. I absolutely think Jiren is stronger than all the GoDs. Later in episode 130, Goku surpasses Jiren’s hidden power which was stronger than his full power. October 18, 2020. So if we go back to Dragon Ball Super episode 109 to 110 when Goku makes his first attempt to fight Jiren … Jiren is one of the strongest characters ever introduced in Dragon Ball! October 18, 2020. So, MUI Beerus > MUI Goku who beated Limit Broken Jiren. Do you wonder if Jiren is Stronger than Goku? I am going to still consider those characters stonger that Goku. But this time it comes out of the video game “Dragon Ball Xenoverse.”. Can Beerus beat Whis? Several times higher than Fusion dance. So yeah, this question has been bothering me. If broly was trained correctly AND could reach the likes of ssgss or even ssg he'd probably kill all of them. Gods have way more durability, stamina than mortals and their Ultra instinct forms are stronger than mortals. Jiren's universe was supposed to be one of the stronger ones. You can’t even compare the two. However, in the anime adaptation called Dragon Ball Z, many believe that Gohan surpassed his dad in strength as he was always meant to do so throughout the series. Gotenks is able to transform into a Super Saiyan 3. But surely Jiren The Grey has been training since. Until I see Goku defeat Beerus, Jiren, Broly on a 1v1. Beerus, Broly, Jiren, Goku. This would certainly be considered an immense spoiler. That would make the fight a cakewalk for Gotenks. It will be an extremely powerful subject, created of course by the Toriyama himself. The fact that only Goku’s comrades were worried at BUW Jiren’s attack might say that Jiren is still not quite there yet, Whis did wonder if Beerus was worried about SSBKK10 Goku in U6 Tournament saga but that is obviously not true. While Jiren is very powerful, there is absolutely no denying that Goku can take him down in the Mastered Ultra Instinct state, although for Goku, achieving that form once again has been a challenge ever since. Just prior to the tournament, he fought Top to a stalemate, which was discouraging at the time because he was told that Top was weaker than Jiren. However, Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x20 Goku was still not enough to harm or hurt Jiren in the battle. Let’s now come to the main point, is jiren stronger than beerus? All of the gods and angels were in awe of Jiren. Is Jiren stronger than Goku? Goku has yet to beat the first 3 in a 1v1 fight. In the third … In the 'Xenoverse 2,' Whis makes a very interesting point. #dragonball #gamer #gameplay #gaming #DBFZ #DragonBallFighterZ #FGC. 1 Goku Isn't Stronger Than Jiren. Both players are masters with the character called Jiren. Goku implied to Merus in the beginning of the Moro arc that Jiren was still stronger than him and Vegeta. Since Beerus is stronger than Jiren, if he is close enough to use Hakai against him, then chances are that Jiren will suffer defeat. For a long time, the Super Saiyan technique has been Goku’s bread and butter, but believe it or not, he actually has another, even more powerful form. Rebel_Yeh Not-So-Newbie Goku, in his normal Super Saiyan transformations, isn't good enough for Jiren, and as of right now, he cannot, by will, tap into Ultra Instinct. Facts. My opinion is based on what has been shown in the Anime/Manga. 0. Comment. Besides, even if Goku can use UI, I don’t consider him to have fully mastered it since he can transform at will or maintain it for a prolonged time. Moreover, it fulfills our commitment to, Blasting SA, IDI CHE-247.845.224, Via Carlo Frasca, 3 - 6900 Lugano (Switzerland), We and our partners: need your consent to store and/or access information on a device; use technologies, such as cookies, and process personal data, such as IP addresses and cookie identifiers, to personalise ads and content based on your interests, measure their performance and derive insights about the audiences who saw them; have a legitimate interest for the following purposes: ensure security, prevent fraud and debug; use features such as matching and combining offline data sources, linking different devices, receiving and using automatically-sent device characteristics for identification, using precise geolocation data, actively scanning device characteristics for identification. via: dragonball.wikia.com. #dragonball #gamer #gameplay #gaming #DBFZ #DragonBallFighterZ #FGC. Those jiren fanboys are going to get all sweaty now. User Info: Tomba42. This is a hard stomp. Beerus, Broly, Jiren, Goku. The fact that Beerus still disagrees with you and thinks he is still better than Goku, means you need to drop with your headcannon that Jiren and Goku are stronger than Beerus. On the level of Gods of Destruction and maybe even stronger! Some claim that this subject could be the villain who appears in the movie “Dragon Ball Super.” The film will tell a story after the Power Tournament and tackle previously unexplored issues, having to do with Freeza and the Saiyan race, and it'll be a story that will have a formidable opponent prepared for that moment. I'm talking about ANIME of DBS, not manga (there are some differences). The viewers will be watching two high level dragonball fighterz players fight each other. There are no boundaries, no reason to hold back and Broly is going for the kill. 42.7k members in the dragonball community. ‘90 Day Fiancé’: Sojaboy answers Lisa over marriage question, ‘90 Day Fiancé’: Mohamed speaks about Danielle, reveals he was about to go homeless, ‘90 Day Fiancé’: Jess reacts on pregnancy as Deavan claims that she is pregnant. Therefore, it’s hard to give a concrete answer to this question. Berus' does not feel that way towards the other god of destructions. Jiren = lb goku > kk x20 goku > kk x10 goku > kk x5 goku > ssb = hit. Anyway, Goku fought Beerus at the beginning of DBS (he didn't even know the Super Saiyan God). People don’t seem to realize just how much Goku has increased in power since the ToP, they’re absolutely incomparable! By Sam Stone Apr 02, 2020. panda_emperorix. Now the situation is different, he is much stronger than before (with Blue + Kaioken and MUI). Broly who was def stated stronger than Jiren was only said probably stronger than Beerus, which put Beerus above Jiren. Dragon Ball Super Episode 111 shows Jiren (Post Ultra Instinct Goku) VS Hit! Do you wonder if Jiren is Stronger than Goku? Taking that into account, it leads us to wonder who could be the stronger warrior. Goku is stronger than Gohan in the manga series. User Info: Time_Hero. Goku has yet to beat the first 3 in a 1v1 fight. It's been just over a week since the end of “Dragon Ball Super.” Still, that does not rule out almost daily interesting news coming out about the franchise. 8 Can Defeat: Hit So, Beerus can easily do that too. Hmmm, wonder who wins. Goku is stronger than Gohan in the manga series. So, who is stronger Goku or Gohan? Therefore, it’s hard to give a concrete answer to this question. Top. He even unlocks a new power-up for his Super Saiyan Blue transformations. In the anime, yes. Vegeta and Goku try to attack Jiren together and it ends really badly for both of them. Then once UI Goku appears, he forces Jiren to get serious in a fight, and while he didn't win he did push Jiren more than he ever has been. When Jiren shows up, it's heavily implied he's the one mortal stronger than GoD, which would likely include Beerus. A stronger MUI Goku who stomped someone stronger than Jiren vs said dude who lost against a weaker MUI. The only scaling for Beerus and Jiren is a magazine scan that claims MUI Goku is 'possibly' stronger than Beerus. Whis, reveal to us that Goku was utilizing his Super Super Saiyan Bule Kaioken x20 against Jiren which is far stronger than Vegeta’s Super Saiyan Blue. 1 Ashi Ashes. Why Goku May Be Stronger Than Beerus Now Our discord: https://discord.gg/44H3kJx, Press J to jump to the feed. Ashes. It wouldn’t be a surprise if one of those gods of destruction is stronger than Beerus and it will also add a link to the next arc where Goku can go to fight one of them. The members of the Saiyan race all get stronger after surviving battles, so Goku struggling to defeat a foe pretty much guarantees that they are stronger than … His form is stronger than Goku’s too. Beerus, Broly, Jiren, Goku. Click on the topic that interests you to follow it. About Broly, we've never seen Goku MUI vs him. While the Multiplier for Vegito is extremely high. Jiren on the other hand, he can be defeated by Goku when he enters MUI but like I said, time isn’t on the side of Goku until he actually fully masters UI. Goku is now so far above what he was before. Anyway, Goku fought Beerus at the beginning of DBS (he didn't even know the Super Saiyan God). It's confirmed that Jiren is stronger than Moro in the latest chapter. according to Diazenzhuu. 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